Speaking of Key-$-HA, I was actually listening to Warrior a few days ago. I would probably also throw Jewel and Sheryl Crow and Alanis Morissette into the vague definition of alternative and they all had their hits as well. People knew Fiona’s name and she had hit songs. I think the way you’ve described the alternative acts of the 90’s, these need to be artists that still have some level of popularity. I could get more into this but we should probably move it over to the forums. Then Katy Perry who is extremely popular (she’s set some records for #1’s) and puts out somewhat generic upbeat songs and anthems.
I would probably put Taylor Swift at one end, though I’m sure there are acts that are even better examples of mainstream pop music. Without putting more thought into it, I would say that there’s a spectrum similar to what Ryan and Matt were discussing on a previous episode when they compared Miley and Lorde as a pop music delivery system vs. You might remember I bought tickets to see them last year, but I wasn’t able to go at the last minute, and I only really started listening to more of their music now and wow. PS: Ryan, thank you for mentioning the Dirty Projectors about a billion podcasts ago. And I definitely would have put Lana Del Rey in the alt camp when she first came out, but not so sure at this point… So I’m wondering, if we were to define a group of current bands/singers as alternative, who would be in that group and why? Like I said, the singers I mentioned were called that often, so we can refer to them as “alternative” without having to actually stop and analyse their music in order to decide whether they fit within the mainstream or not. I guess my comment was an attempt to define what alternative means now. I’m using the word alternative because that’s what the media called them back in the 90s, and because of the whole alternagirl thing (Angela Chase, etc). I actually only started listening to her music when Extraordinary Machine came out (I was 11 when When The Pawn came out, wasn’t really aware of her then), but she’s been one of my favorite singers ever since. Matthew Wrather OTI Staff Oct 21st 2013 1:13 pm #.Afterall, Ani’s genre is folk, right? And Fiona made some almost-jazz and Tori gets very instrumental (someone get Stokes, I’m running out of words to describe how not-pop they all sound, each one in their own way/genre)
Why was “alternative” girl rock or whatever so popular in the 90s and so niche now? Is it because everything’s more niche, or is it because the mainstream has gone too far into Katy Perry/Ke-dollar sign-ha/Rihanna territory?Īnd is the mainstream now so mainstream-y ~because~ of the “niche-fication” of everything else?īoth in terms of image and musically. Or is the current alternagirl someone like Regina Spektor? And if that’s the case, who else? tUnE-yArDs? St Vincent?
#HAIM DAYS ARE GONE YOUTUBE TV#
I’m watching Ani DiFranco on TV (hi Matt!) and realized: could Lorde, Haim and short-haired Miley be this generation’s alternagirls (akin to Fiona, Tori, Ani, etc) Or have we gone too mainstream to the point that even the alternative-ish girls are still deeply rooted in the mainstream (Lorde making essentially a hip hop song while criticizing current hip hop songs, Miley having started as a Disney star, Haim and their “past”).
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